if you disagree with the GOP on this
the opposite is
"unlawful" and "unnecessary"
not
TROUBLING

to just about every Democrat
besides Newsom, Bernie, AOC and a few others,
every despicable, disgraceful, immoral, and illegal act
by this administration and Congress this year has been
"TROUBLING"

What's frightening is that some GOP lawmakers call the boat strikes "lawful". Common sense (oh and the military code of conduct) cannot be more clear on this matter. But then again, Hitler had his officers so why should I be shocked by anything anymore?

indeed. it is amazing what humans can rationalize

the Admiral had an hour to consider the second strike
and a third

even the first was illegal

The Dem pols in DC can be as mealy-mouthed, and weak as they like regarding the crimes of THE LYIN' KING and his cronies, but I'm not going to be any less disgusted, outraged and angry about it. If only we had leaders with as much guts and integrity as those they claim to represent and claim as their supporters... talking about the Dems. And yet people continue to ask me or wonder why so many people on the left and the middle, hate and don't respect the Dem Party and their excuse for pols in DC?

The problem with the party is not messaging, it's the lack of character and courage of the leaders and pols in DC, as well as their policies..

The Repub Party these days, not just THE LYIN' KING, are utterly shameless, and they also usually suffer no consequences for their behavior, so of course as long as that continues, the general public will also mostly choose to go in that same direction, as far as behavior. The same applies to the ultra rich and corporations, also shameless, and rarely suffering consequences for their behavior and actions. More shaming and more equal justice and fair equal treatment under the law, is the only way any of this changes. Even elections will not change the behavior of the Repubs in politics, I fear, as they have decided they can always just cheat their way to winning elections, no matter what the voters want, if elections are even held in the future... My fear of either civil war or permanent dictatorship, without any real future elections, gets worse every day... It's starting to look like civil war may be our only way out of this, but I know our side is never going to agree to wage one against the right wingers.. The other way to overthrow them is general strikes, but those also are never going to happen, because too many working age Americans have their healthcare tied to their jobs, and are living paycheck to paycheck, so boycotts against the worst corporations are probably our best bet for fighting back against our corrupt govt.. Attack their financial backers, and put the pressure on them that way...

we don't need more Panthers. we need more MLK's.

gentlemen, or, should i say, warriors

your sentiments are understandable given the current pressures on our psyches. But Malcolm X was wrong. Violence as an offensive strategy is always wrong. He accomplished nothing but to feed into the stereotypes that fueled racism. MLK succeeded by inspired masses of people to protest, including non-blacks. Gandhi also proved that masses don't need clubs, knives, or guns in their hand.

the "fight fire with fire" philosophy, which we need today, is one that utilizes all legal, non-violent methods to confront violence and illegality. We have, unfortunately, been subjected to the creep of immorality to the extent that good people like yourselves may now be open to unethical behavior as a counter measure. The creep started with this Prez getting away with breaking laws and moral standards in his first term, and treating both citizens and non-citizens inhumanely. The first key breakdown was those on the left, granted him permission to treat "illegals" inhumanely.

in sociological terms this rogue leader has tapped into the "reptilian" part of the human brain often described as the "fight or flight" instinct in nature. We have evolved, should have evolved beyond that. In esoteric terms, it could be called a separation from source -- the energy we all share. Or, in some wise words of a light transmitter, "do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

practically speaking, morality can not be forced via immoral methods. For one thing, don't wager on ethical beings swinging a sword with more force and accuracy than the immoral. The immoral are better at violence, destruction, and intimidation -- without limitations of mercy or empathy.

nay, brothers, we didn't go wrong by not fighting with them physically. we went wrong by not fighting with them intellectually and spiritually. And the tool at hand, that was not applied and enforced was LEGALITY. Yes, we're missing some laws, but enough were in place to nip their leader in the butt before the creep took hold his first term. We mistakenly trusted politicians on the left to do their jobs rather than just focus on keeping their jobs the next election because the other side was worse.

so, NO. we don't have to be more like them. The separation, the survival of the fittest, the CREEP is about to spread into the world via the abandoning of the better part of America's examples and standards. It started with the incivility within Americas borders that we allowed.

To reiterate and summarize. Justice is a legal matter. The strength that matters is not physical. It's in numbers. Not weapons.

Re-align with what IS right, rather than THE right!

transcript of live conversation

LINDY: i believe international law needs to come into play. NATO should take action

V3: i'm a firm believer in the U.N. concept, but i believe the other nations right now would say it's up to the American people to step up, and i'd have to agree

but, how can we do that if he has control of everything

imo, it would start with the Democrats and rational Republicans taking all the legal steps, as per their oath. Call for investigations and initiate impeachments and force the Republicans to block responsible action. Then would come the interesting part. How the people should step up the pressure

i don't know. we are protesting. calling and writing. telling them they will lose elections. what else can we do?

we need to circle the wagons. unite, and leave aside our strategic differences to organize/coordininate action with a focus on consumer pressure. Sure we've done No Kings Day but it's a general protest, without calling for specific action. We need a leader or group of leaders -- and all progressive political organizations to work together on boycotts primarily, and protests to support that action.

we've tried that. it doesn't seem to work.

we've haven't tried it TOGETHER. so it is the together part that is our weakness. the last blackout was misguided, mistimed, and lacked the right message communicated widely among us all

we need people to work out of work too. but it's very hard to do

you said it. there are limits to citizen's willingness to sacrifice -- to participate

what about not paying taxes

same thing. that's illegal and people would have to be willing to go to jail

not if we all do it together

indeed, the TOGETHER thing is the key. we can accomplish anything together, at the same time, we have the power

what if the King withholds funding for blue states as punishment

he would be breaking the law and it would again come down to our Reps starting the impeachment and us forcing it into reality

to be continued...

1 hour ago, macphysto said:

Say that to Holocaust survivors

preventing the holocaust is consistent with the approach i outlined. Hitler committed crimes before those atrocities that should have been enforced and justice should have been served before he got out of hand. Indeed laws and justice need to be enforced physically, with weapons if need be. And when Hitler's country allowed the atrocities, the world should step in with force -- weapons if all else fails.

this Prez committed crimes that should have already been brought to justice, force-ably if need be. But not by you or i with pitchforks. The system is in place. It's been abused and corrupted. Civility and integrity is still valued by a significant majority.

a stronger argument would be, what were our alternatives to the Civil War? I'd have to think about that...

ok... the answer is the same. Don't buy products made from slave labor. Don't socialize with slavers and have dinner served by slaves at someone's house. Work to pass laws. If laws aren't obeyed, perhaps offer to buy out slaves. If money doesn't work as a last resort, pull out the pitchforks. I'm not up for the unaliving, but i'll stick one in a slavers ass, and let them sit on it for a while.

On 1/14/2026 at 2:23 PM, V.3 said:

transcript of live conversation

LINDY: i believe international law needs to come into play. NATO should take action

to be continued...

LINDY: we've tried everything else. maybe it's time for physical action

V3: what is everything we tried?

protesting, boycotting. laws.

regarding protests/boycotts, minimally. two NO KINGS days is the tip of the iceberg compared to what is required to get it done. do you remember the civil rights movement?

sort of. i wasn't paying attention as a child

there were ongoing masses in the streets. You don't get things done by skipping the protest part and moving right to the pitchfork stage. Even when you do get to the pitchfork stage the change will not happen here because we physically defeat the dictator's forces. sadly, it will happen when citizens have had enough of soldiers killing citizens and there's no more support for the dictator. We're watching it happen in Iran, and those people are used to religious dictators in power. Americans will not tolerate it for long.

regarding laws, yes most are in place. they need to be enforced. example: we passed the Epstein bill, but we didn't enforce it. we need a campaign to force our politicians to enforce it

(sigh) who is going to enforce these laws? the Supreme Court and Congress is his

that's the biggest mistake we make. they're ALL ours! It's a matter of demanding what is ours
for example, we all seem to have this reverence for the the idiots on the Supreme Court instead of giving them a mass-ive dose of our mind on the steps of their court

you know what's going to happen. he'd call in the troops

fine. the people can yell at the troops

and if someone gets pushed you're not going to push back?

no

you're going to let them beat you up?

yes. you'll get beaten up worse if you resist

you've got no Brooklyn in you whatsoever

correct. i was raised in Queens. but i grew-up in the West

(hyperventilating) how can you talk about the people, when there is a solid lock of maga supporters that, apparently, support their team, right or wrong

don't forget that their team is mostly one man. but yes, our friends and neighbors are the key to the whole thing. and the news that they watch. dealing effectively with both of those elements needs a full thread of its own. (sigh)

i keep hearing Renee saying "i'm not mad at you" before she was slaughtered

the details of that homicide have not escaped the vast majority of the public. It will become part of the regime's undoing

let's leave it at that. i have to go out

yes, go blow the stink off of yourself

21 hours ago, macphysto said:

Cap'n, you keep using "should" in your rebuttal, which, for me , makes your argument academic. Step outside your ivory tower and put on some sunglasses because the light that you are going toward is blinding you to How the World Really Is.

What people should do is very different from what people do, will do, or want to do. People should eat a "balanced diet" of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, proteins, and chocolate chip cookies . . . okay, maybe not that last one. But do they?

People should drive with their hands at "ten and two," not "gun it" at a yellow light, and keep one car length for every 10 mph behind the car in front of them*. But do they?

People should "do unto others." But do they?

you realize that you are saying i "shouldn't" say what people "should or shouldn't do." It's a theme you keep circling back to, unnecessarily. We decided people "should" drive within the speed limit, and we enforce it. We say people should eat right, but don't enforce it, because we "shouldn't," so we don't. But we "should" continue to inform people what they "should" be eating for their physical and mental health.

our whole society rightly evolves by telling each other what we SHOULD do. And i will continue to do exactly that. It will include me telling me what i should do, as well as you, voters and politicians.

imo, you should focus your sharp mind on each new issue confronting us without wrestling with semantics shaped by, perhaps, past experiences. but it's just a suggestion. not a law. you're free to be you (the key, in my often expressed opinion, is separating from ego to connect with the real you, apart from your experiential programming)

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"Thoreau, Gandhi, and Martin Luther King all engaged in civil disobedience, and are widely admired for doing so. But how can democratic society function if each person’s conscience has to be satisfied for a law to be obeyed? When is civil disobedience justified? When is it required?

it's a good question. And that's why violence is a bad idea. If protest is questionable, violence to force your ideas is obviously worse. But the question is the answer.

protest is not about forcing your will on others, it should be about forcing society to QUESTION it's behavior. To examine it. The devil is in the details, and those details need to be exposed.

unfortunately, sometimes, society doesn't care. people are selfish and the power mongers are manipulative. so you keep trying. Slavery, anti-civil rights, women's rights and gay rights were all examples of irrational, bad behavior but we only stuck each other with bayonet's over one of them because it crossed a threshold of inhumanity.