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Let me try a guess. Because he was white and not easy to demoninze or paint as a foreign terrorist, even tho he was a drug distributor, same as the Venezualan boats are supposed to be?

The woman in ? that I felt had played me, was not from a dating site, but from a speed dating event held in late Oct., after which we traded emails, where she said she would be having a surgery Nov. 3rd, and "would not be talking to or dating any guys before the surgery or during her recovery" from the surgery. The email she finally sent me on Mon., saying she had met another guy from a dating app and had been on two dates with him, since the time of her surgery, tells me I was lied to and misled by her, as far as what to expect from her going forward from the dating event, as she had said she would message me after her recovery was over and that we might then go out for coffee then. I rest my case... This is far from the first time, that a woman has lied to me or misled me on what to expect, or when we might get together, after they had moved and settled in from the move, had a surgery, gone on a trip, etc.. So it sucks every time, and I wish people would just keep their word and play the game straight and honestly, as I always have. I get sick of these kiss off emails and messages from women, after they've already eliminated me from the running, and gone forward with other guys behind my back, instead of keeping me informed in a timely manner, of when my standing or status with them has changed, since that is how I've always played it in the dating game. People love to talk about how important honesty is in the dating process, but in my experience, that is mostly one-way, something they expect from others, but are unwilling to give on their end.. The woman was ready to date at this time, she just didn't want to date me, obviously, and that I was way down on her list of men from the speed dating event and the dating app, in other words, I was a back up or leftover, that she would only go ahead with meeting, if all the other more desired prospects fell thru for her. I get that until someone is exclusive with you in an established relationship, who else they are connecting with or seeing is none of your business, but when they have already given you expectations, like she did, and your status with them has changed, to where they no longer intend to meet or see you again, then I feel they owe it to you to communicate that in a timely manner, not a month after they have changed their mind about where you stand with them. That is simply selfish, cowardly, and dishonest, if you ask me..

Sounds like the best idea. My goof to have suggested the direct message to you..

I had already heard about Thiel, Vance's buddy, as well as the tech bros and their plans for freedom cities and techno fascism. Very scary, esp. since they were all there cozied up with THE LYIN' KING at his inauguration. We may well be facing a Terminator type future, where we are fighting their drones and robot soldiers to survive or have any chance of overthrowing them... They are already preparing, as you say, for violent civil war, so I really don't see any peaceful way we are going to be able to defeat them in America, since they can just buy and bribe all the pols, as well as get all the cops and military to work for them, instead of us., in protecting them and their property.. As far as talk of the anti-Christ, if anybody fits the bill for that, It'd be THE LYIN' KING, based on my reading of Revelations in the Bible, years ago....

Not really, I pretty much assumed that they did it thru hiring really sharp, expensive accountants, but mostly thru buying all the pols, who write the tax laws, that's why the rich used to pay almost 90% tax rates during the 50s with Eisenhower, but since Reagan, 1980s for you younger folks, it's been a third of that or lower..

You said it, brother! And the idea of group scream therapy really appeals to me right now, lol.... Maybe we, you and me, need to start a subforum or subgroup on here for that? And props to you for using the term pig🍆>🐱er, as that's one that my late wife introduced me to, never heard it from anyone, except her, and now you...

You nailed it, man. To the pols and business folks, it's just that, simply business, as the mobsters used to say, nothing personal, and nothing is more important , valuable or sacred , to them, than simple business. And with the help of the corporate media, the public does, most of them, see it as a conspiracy theory, instead of the honest reality of how things work. [additional comments moved to more appropriate thread]

I honestly think that most of us here, including me, agree with you, scary.... I will not date anyone that voted for THE LYIN' KING, no matter when they did it or for whatever reasons, because I obviously wouldn't be compatible or have enough shared values with them. As for friendships with anyone who ever voted for THE LYIN' KING or supported him, I've only had a couple of those, and they didn't last very long, after THE LYIN' KING was in power either time, because the amount of conflict between us over it was simply too great.. Like you, I'm just not interested in engaging with them, at least not until after they have at least woken up from the con, admitted they were wrong about THE LYIN' KING, left MAGA, and apologized for their sins, so to speak. Then and only then, are they and I ready to talk respectfully and engage with any trust towards them.. It's like anyone who's been a member of the Klan or any other white supremacist or Nazi group in modern times, I will not accept them until they have left the group and repented for their involvement in said group...

I respect your view, but still disagree. I'm not interested in being involved in anyone's deprogramming, just not patient and tolerant enough to do it. Call me insensitive, if you like, for that stance.. Also, since V3 is the admin. and only person here that would be doing the moderation of the site, I wonder if he is willing and wanting to do all that extra work, that would undoubtedly come with letting right wingers in here. But it's his site, so in the end, it's really all up to him...

Funny how we never see any pols connecting the dots like this, not even Bernie Sanders, much less the corporate media.. As Gen. Smedley Butler said long ago, " War is a racket "

Call me cynical, but after seeing the whole Iraq War debacle, based on a lie about them making or having a nuclear weapon, I see the common denominator between the two countries, oil, which both administrations wanted to gain control of and profit from. So yes, besides this, I also agree that THE LYIN' KING is doing his anti Venezuala campaign to be seen as a wartime prez, rally his base and maybe others around him, and stay out of prison. But for the people around him, who are also evil grifters, the motivation is obviously regime change in Venezuala and getting control of their oil.. That country is also no military threat whatsover, and no match for the US, so also a helpless target.. As for THE LYIN' KING being able to stop the next elections with a war against Venezuala, that is one thing that I think even our SC would not support, and our people would also not stand for it, so it would be civil war for sure if that happens, no elections, for whatever reason he uses.. The title of this post is also ironic, considering that for some time now, there's been a popular alternative rock band, called The War On Drugs.....

Exactly. If the default leaders of our side, the opposition to THE LYIN' KING, are not willing to fight and challenge the election results, there's really not much we can do about it. I saw how this whole thing began, with the 2000 election, and Gore not willing to fight that stolen election, and knew right then, that it would eventually lead to another election being stolen from our side.. And after this one, there will be more from the Repubs...

No worries, Michele, a lot of us, including me, have struggled with navigating the site and setting up our profiles. So your comment being placed in this thread is just fine. What matters is that you're here, and we're getting to hear from you and to begin getting to know who you are.. Tom [moved here from other thread] Sheesh, I'm feeling so sad, cynical and hopeless today, but then again, it's also at least partly because I just found out that a woman I met at a speed dating event in Oct., and had traded a few messages with, has been misleading me on where I stood with her and whether she was going to go ahead as planned with meeting me for coffee after she recovered from a surgery she had soon after the dating event. Guess you just can't trust anybody to keep their word these days, in the dating game, until after you've been chosen against the rest of the field and are in an established relationship. It's not that I cared so much about whether things worked out with her or not, but about having misread someone again, for the umpteenth time, about what I might expect from them going forward in the dating process. I get to where it's so hard to trust my judgement about people in that game.... Even with added experience and age, it still sucks to get and feel played, no matter how many times it's happened before to you. Why can't most people play life with integrity, honesty, and fairness, be it pols, business people, or even singles in the dating game? I know that I'm over generalizing from my experience, but sometimes, like now, I feel like Diogenes, in search of one honest man (or woman). Maybe I should change my username to Charlie Brown, someone else I have often felt was my alter ego? Another underappreciated bald character... Carry on, my friends... Tom aka Bob....

No worries, mac. Don't mind at all the replay, and I agreed with your point, plus, I think the rest of the class would enjoy hearing your experience.. And like you, I usually have my physical type that I'm attracted to, same as most folks.. As a widower, I feel your pain about losing your longtime partner, and it sucks to lose so many people to death in such a short time. I lost both my parents and my late wife, all in less than a ten year span. It felt like death was just stalking me, and all I wanted was to go several years without anybody close to me dying.... I have to respectfully disagree with you about marriage and monogamy, since I really enjoyed both of those with my late wife. As for libido, the dating mating game, etc., I have not chosen to give up, but I totally get why so many others my age, and maybe whatever your age is, do. I respect them as well, as they're doing themselves and the rest of the world, a favor, rather than trying to be or do something that isn't really them or what they want. Only going to cause grief for all involved and concerned. But I'm really glad you're here, on the site and in the forum, as I really enjoy your posts and comments, as you're really bright, funny, insightful, and brutally honest with us, esp. about yourself...

Right on, scary! A woman after my own heart. I feel exactly the same about wishy washyness. As the congressman said, "It's time to choose a 🍆>🐱ing side!".... And I take dating too seriously, or at least long term relationships, that I won't date someone I don't respect, or who doesn't respect me, as well.. Also, feel free to say more on this topic, glad I brought up something you were passionate about... BTW, I used to message or show interest in women's profiles that listed Moderate as their political affiliation or label, but I stopped doing that, once I saw that the vast majority of them were just using that as a cover for actually being a Trumper or conservative. I too hate dishonesty in dating profiles, dating behavior, and the dating game in general. But obviously most people feel differently, since dishonesty is so rampant in the dating game these days. Still I remain an idealist on that point, probably because my father was a career judge, so honesty is my top value, when it comes to character...

Well said, V., and I'm also way too old to be doing flings, lol, and I didn't even do them when I was a young man. Guess I was just too shy or uptight then. But since these women are paying $35 a ticket for this event, I would like to think that about all of them are after more than a fling, since they were all age 55-70, and were more likely looking for something real and long term, if possible. But I could well be wrong, since the way it turned out, I think that looks, same as on the dating sites, was the main factor for most of them, same as with the men, in who they chose to match with after the event ended. I like to think I was pretty open-minded and not overly focused on looks, in who I chose to match with, since I selected to match with 13 of the 21 women who attended, but ended up with only one mutual match. But I heard, from another guy who was there, as well as the organizer. that it's pretty common for men at those events to only end up with one or two mutual matches, and sometimes no mutual matches. So it could have been worse, but it still felt like a real gut punch, to be honest, tho not that much different than my rejection rate on the dating sites, of how many replies I got out of the first messages I sent to women, about a 10-15% response rate.. I also think that compatibility on religion, or lack of it, is also becoming almost as important as politics these days in dating, at least for relationships that are supposed to be long term and not superficial or casual. etc.. And I think the same honesty and openness should apply with that, in both profiles and early messaging or sharing with a prospective partner..

Part Two: Personally, I have always been honest, open, and straight up about my politics in dating profiles, even tho I know it cuts down the interest and number of women that will reply to my first messages to them, etc., but I care enough about compatibility, that I'm already pretty selective in who I approach on dating sites, within the limits of what they share in their profiles. With how polarized America is, and with how much politics is currently affecting the lives of most people here, I just don't get why so many people feel like it either doesn't matter, for compatibility or that they can ignore it. Unless they are either just after something that is casual and mostly just physical, or they are so privileged, selfish, or uncaring about the less privileged people who are getting hurt by our current politics. No matter which of these, someone like that is a hard pass for me, since my values include really caring about less privileged people, even tho the current politics aren't really affecting or hurting me much at all, not yet. So I'm really curious what the rest of the members feel about and have experienced regarding this issue. What says the tribe?

Last month I went to a local speed dating event, and had an interesting experience with it, particularly regarding politics. I chatted with 21 different women during the series of 4 min. rounds, and because having compatible political views is important to me in who I choose to date, as well as also having compatible values in other areas, including religion and lack of religion in them and me, I asked each woman to say where they feel they fit in the political spectrum, from conservative to liberal, etc. Surprisingly, at least to me, 7 of the 21, a full third of them, refused to answer this simple,, basic ?, saying either that they "weren't political", "don't discuss politics with anyone", to saying " I only discuss politics with those close to me,,,,, (adult children, closest friends, etc.). I respectfully honored their refusals and didn't try to argue with or criticize them for their stance, even tho I suspect that all of them were either closet Trumpers or conservatives, and felt defensive or embarrassed by how their side is acting these days or the backlash against them, etc. But I did immediately write each of them off, as far as compatibility or any further interest in getting to know more about them, since they had already failed one of my few dealbreakers on a woman's personality, character, values, etc.. I have also run into much of this same thing with the dating sites like Match, Bumble, etc., where the women don't openly say they refuse to discuss politics, but instead, they simply leave out any indication of their political views or political affiliation, also sometimes they use evasive or dishonest language to describe their political traits, such as saying they're apolitical, when they later inevitably turn out to be Trumpers or conservatives, once you connect with them and begin trading messages. Or they use vague, misleading labels like Independent, or Moderate, when they also later turn out to be conservative or a Trumper.

It is also about his eventual orders to have the troops shoot peaceful protestors with live ammo, and to shoot to kill...

I'm old, but I still have a brain., and have learned how the world really works, sadly enough. But I still never learned to be greedy or selfish, so I remain a proud socialist. If others choose differently, that's their right, but it doesn't mean I have to like them or agree with them.. I guess that's why I've seldom been friends with any Repubs, and would also never date one of them, almost never voted for any of them either..

Her, as well as Nancy Pelosi and other Dems in congress. Both parties these days are corrupt as hell, and cash in with insider trading, from their inside info they have about upcoming govt. policies, from the info that only congressional committee members have access to..

I think I've heard of this guy and this program before, good luck to him, he's going to need it with them. It really is no different than people leaving a cult and getting deprogrammed, or leaving evangelical religion for either no religion or something less extreme. In all those cases, it is a huge emotional crisis for them, and the complete loss of a former identity, as well as their whole tribal circle. Few people have the guts and strength to handle all that, so few people ever leave those kind of groups. More often, they only leave the group after being already rejected by their group or even banished from it. I personally want nothing to do with anyone in MAGA, and even after they leave MAGA, until, like any addict in a 12-step program, they have done the necessary self reflection, admission of their wrongs, made their amends, etc. and reclaimed themselves. Until then, they deserve no acceptance in society, as far as I'm concerned, and certainly none from me. And even then, they need to prove again that they can be trusted, before we should forgive them for their past sins..

Agreed, V3, I'm a socialist and for all that you said. The problem is, what to do with bullies and Nazis once they are already formed? Asking them nicely to behave differently accomplishes nothing, and is simply laughable. The only thing that works at that point is force and punishment, and making them too scared to continue doing what they've been doing, if not incapacitating them. So far, the Dems mostly seem to have been sticking to wringing their hands, asking nicely, and writing sternly worded letters. No wonder most people see them as a joke, and weaklings... Kicking the can down the road, has been the policy of both neoliberal major parties in America, leaving the working class behind, abandoning them and the poor, and no wonder the justified anger, resentment, and grievances of the working class were allowed to boil over, until they were easy prey for a con man like THE LYIN' KING. So here we are...

I think the captain is comparing MAGA to the hive mind of The Borg, a la Star Trek... An apt comparison..

The only way to stop a bully, or a Nazi, is to punch them in the face. Period.. So far, that's the diff between here and reddit.com, where I would get banned for saying that...