BobDylan

Nice to see you again on the forums, Lindy. I missed you. V., you totally nailed it, they should be doing those ads now, but you're so right, that instead they'll wait to the next season and do the same stale left vs. right talking points, and stick to the same identity politics and culture war 💩, instead of running on lefty economic populism. Because first off, they don't stand for economic populism from the left, and haven't stood for it since the 80s, and secondly, they won't do that because it would offend their corporate donors. So they'll stick with the same bashing the Repubs on culture war stuff and ID politics, and with that, maybe even still find a way to lose races that should be easy to win. Beginning with Clinton in the 90s, the Dem Party traded unions and the working class for corporate and Wall Street cash, and we've all been paying the price ever since.. I look for more of the same tired, " We don't stand for anything economically, but at least we're not Repubs, and we differ from them on the culture war stuff", but the problem is, the working class and most voters, really don't care about the culture war stuff and ID politics, compared to economics. So even if the Repubs lie to them about economic policy and what they will deliver on it, most people will still vote for Repubs, if the Repubs at least play to their anger and grievances, while the Dems simply ignore those things, as if class war doesn't exist..

I can, understand that is, because they only are willing to fight dirty against progressives, not against Repubs. Why? Because their only real purpose, as a fake or controlled opposition party, is to protect the status quo for the rich and corporations, which is not only about defeating progressive candidates, but also colluding with the Repubs to serve the rich and corporations. BTW, progressive is just a modern term for socialist, used by progressives to avoid the stigma associated with socialism.. Specifically to your point, V., running those ads would offend the donors that fund both major parties, so you'll never see the DNC or corporate Dems ever running honest, brutal ads like that against Repubs..

You're welcome, V.. I'm hoping glennlab will also spread the word to the remaining Agnostic members he is still in contact with, as they too would be good and interesting members here, when it comes to community involvement and contributions to the forums..

An impressive and unsurprising list for THE LYIN' KING. I remember well the bad old days of Nixon, and am still amazed that anyone in my lifetime, would make Nixon look good in retrospect... But the blame can't go to just one man, in either one's case. Nowadays, the SC con majority, and the corrupt and cowardly members of his own party in DC, are also to blame for letting THE LYIN' KING get away with all this. In Nixon's day, the SC stood up to him on his abuses of power, and eventually, so did his party's congress critters. That no longer happens today, for an abusive Repub prez...

I invited glennlab to here, as we are both refugees from Agnostic.com, a similar site to this one, only targeted for non religious, non believer folks. We met up on there years ago, when it was still active and had thousands of members. We both hope this new site has a better run and future than Agnostic did.. Like Agnostic, this site depends on word of mouth, not paid ads elsewhere, which is why the other site never developed local dating options, but it did become a very big online community, of forum discussions and specialized interest groups.. Time will tell if this site will ever reach critical mass in members, enough to offer local dating options for most of its US members..

Or as Ralph Nader said long ago, " If, or whether, you don't do politics (or voting), politics will be done to you"....

I've been thinking the same thing about Maxwell, that she has to know that she has many people, not just THE LYIN' KING, that would love to have her whacked, if she becomes too much of a threat of informing on them, and so she too would have some sort of protection plan in place, to have stuff released to the public, if anything bad happened to her, such as an "accident" or "suicide"....

Thanks for posting this addendum..

Not surprised at all, the SC has been giving THE LYIN' KING everything he wants, since he came to power again, but why should anyone be surprised, when the immunity ruling they gave him while he was out of power, basically said, " We give you a pardon on anything you did last time, and are rolling out the carpet for anything you want to do next time that you're in power"? The SC is just as treasonous as him...

Agreed YDS. These days, when it comes to the Repubs and cheating, you can't be too paranoid, so to speak, because these people will do anything to get and keep power. The Dems will also lie to get and keep power, particularly against progressives, but they aren't willing to play as dirty as the Repubs, when it comes to playing against the other party... and they also won't cheat to win general elections. Dem Party primaries, against progressives, that's another story.... Which is why I see the Dems as more of a fake or controlled opposition party to the Repubs, than an actual opponent or serious competitor...

Sounds like one I would really enjoy watching, thanks for telling us about it. Some of the parts of it you mentioned, such as the news clips and videos, reminds me of the doc film Summer Of Love, about the Black Woodstock in Harlem during the same time period of this. What really struck me about that film, were the on the street news interviews with concert attendees, regarding news of the day, and how unfiltered and honest those were allowed to be, compared to our current new coverage of events, where it's all very controlled, corporate filtered, and no ordinary people would ever get allowed to speak freely and uncensored about politics and how they felt our government was doing things. Corporate censorship these days is much stricter than any govt. censorship has ever been in the US.

Same as pardoning all the J6rs, it fires up his base with owning the libs, and in that case, he also got a group to staff his private ICE gestapo army... He does enjoy seeing how outrageous he can get away with being, and pardoning her would give him the same benefits as the first part of what he got from pardoning the J6rs..

I think you are preaching to the choir here, Rob, but I still appreciate it, and you make some very deep, radical, and inspiring points. So, glad you're here, and feel free to continue to make them. Because I often feel that fellow members of the choir, who support Dems, are often ignorant or unaware of these deeper issues and points, that the lame Dem leaders almost always never bring up or go into depth with, instead of sticking to their simple, glib, focus group-tested talking points and bumper sticker slogans. And in that respect, they are often just as condescending and disrespectful to the voters as the Repubs.. And V3, the captain's Fact Check just proves that THE LYIN' KING's deportation 💩 has always been about race, division, and distraction from his other crimes, and nothing to do with public safety or protecting Americans, not even white Americans... And I would love to see all the ICE bounty hunters unmasked and then studied, to see the %s of them that have committed each of these crimes in the Fact Check. I bet it would be pretty damned high....

The center director retired about a year or so ago, and I don't miss that bitch one bit, and told the staff so at the time she left, but since then, I've got along fine with the staff since then, since there is no longer the favoritism practiced towards the Trumpers, and against me, which is all I was asking for from the staff, simply that they respect me and treat me fairly and according to the rules posted at the center, instead of one set of rules for behavior, if you're part of the Trumper, conservative majority there, and another for people like me, who are the minority. I hate hypocrisy and some being treated as second class citizens, by people in power, whether pols or senior center directors, and I won't stand for it. And between the change in leadership there, and the embarrassment and backlash towards THE LYIN' KING, his many supporters at my local senior center no longer wear their red hats and other MAGA gear, as well as not being as loud or vocal as they were a few years ago, and I count that as a victory that I enjoy and take some personal pride in having some part in tempering them a bit.. As to your points about poverty, being the real factor behind desperate people immigrating to the US, legally or not, you are right on. It's driven by global capitalism, destablizing the economies of the countries they flee from, directed by the trade policies particularly of our country, as well as other western countries. It leads to chaos and crime in those countries, and as long as global and corporate capital runs our country, as well as other western governments, immigration will be a divisive problem, fueling the racism that's already there. The cause and enemy, is capitalism run amok and having too much power in government policy, not POC from other countries, who speak other languages and have other religions and culture.. If only people would look deeply and radically enough to see the root cause, instead of blaming immigration.

You nailed it, V. A few years ago, I got into it with a MAGA fellow senior citizen, at the local senior center, when he wore his red hat there, and I simply remarked to him that even tho he had the right to wear it there, same as some of the other guys who wear their NRA hats, and other right wing political apparel, that I found his hat to be deeply offensive, even tho I am white. Because, as I said to him, to me it feels the same as if he were wearing a confederate flag shirt, around black people. That the MAGA slogan was simply code for Make America White Again. He of course, exploded and started sputtering and shouting that he wears it "because I love Jesus and The Constitution", etc.. I told him he was full of 💩 and that those things had nothing to do with the MAGA slogan, even if he were sincere about those beliefs on his part, which I said I doubted was true. The staff immediately told us to separate and not talk to each other anymore, but after that, he went over to his MAGA buddy there, who watched me talking to another staffer, who was trying to calm me down, and the buddy then shouted to me, in front of everybody there, including the staff, that "I see you there talking about us, maybe I should go outside and kick your ass!" I then turned to the staff member and said to her, and everybody else there, " You all just heard him threaten me with assault, is anybody going to do anything about it? I think he should be banned from here for at least a week for that". Needless to say, since he was part of the majority where I live, in a red state and a red suburb, the center director did nothing to him, but did lecture me on how I need to keep my political opinions to myself there, since it was well known that she was a THE LYIN' KING supporter. All such favoritistic bull💩. I was told that they have the right to wear whatever they want and I can't comment, so I started wearing my Bernie shirts and they, him and his Trumper friends, wore their right wing stuff.

If Maxwell is pardoned, all hell should break loose, and if I were her, I would flee the country, because she would likely then be in danger of being whacked by either someone doing it for THE LYIN' KING or on behalf of the victims. And the latter would be justified, in my mind... I've had enough of seeing the guilty being able to just be pardoned and skate away with little or no consequences. Doesn't mean I will do it myself to them, but I'm not going to condemn it when it happens..

I mostly already knew this, but it sure explains a lot about why the corporate media here is such 💩 coverage of politics and government. I learned long ago, that if you want accurate and honest coverage of our politics and govt., you need to seek out foreign media, like The Guardian in the UK or Al-Jazeera English, etc...

I totally agree with you, V.. That goes with how many right wing men these days are hiding their politics in the dating game, except for maybe when they attend THE LYIN' KING rallies looking for women to date. And we all know how much they love attention, as well as trolling their opponents and being hurtful to those same groups, just to indulge their own ego and inflict some grief or suffering on people. Except that they overestimate how much upset they will cause a liberal woman with their trolling, in most cases.

Right up there with the bull💩 lie that Trickle Down economics actually works for the lower classes..

I agree scary, as I too hate ghosting, but in the case of someone who is obviously conservative or a Trumper, and thus incompatible, then it's obvious in that case, that the person either didn't read your profile, or if they did, they just want to engage or match with you to send you trolling messages. So in either case, an exception is justified as far as ghosting them, because you have already set an appropriate boundary, which has been ignored, and nothing good will come from it, as you say, by engaging with them..

Even if this change could realistically happen, I have zero trust that the Dems would fight for it...

I have heard the same sort of thing from women on dating sites, who have very clearly stated their being very liberal and their desire to reject any men who are conservatives or Trumpers, and yet there are always men who will either message them on the other sites or match with them on Bumble, all so they can send trolling messages to those women. If these people are truly secure in their political beliefs, you don't have the need to seek out and troll others who have done nothing but put themselves out on a dating site, while being open and honest about who they are politically. I have never felt the need to troll people I encounter on dating sites, because I'm secure in who I am, and don't need to engage or connect with the politically incompatible, to insult or lecture them on how wrong they are, etc.. I guess having some class in how you conduct yourself, is more common among the left than the right, not surprisingly...

Very creepy and scary at the same time. I hope I'm dead before this becomes completely normalized...

The Dem pols in DC can be as mealy-mouthed, and weak as they like regarding the crimes of THE LYIN' KING and his cronies, but I'm not going to be any less disgusted, outraged and angry about it. If only we had leaders with as much guts and integrity as those they claim to represent and claim as their supporters... talking about the Dems. And yet people continue to ask me or wonder why so many people on the left and the middle, hate and don't respect the Dem Party and their excuse for pols in DC? The problem with the party is not messaging, it's the lack of character and courage of the leaders and pols in DC, as well as their policies..

My prediction is, never.. We Americans never prosecute or punish our military for war crimes,, not since the Vietnam War, and even then, Nixon pardoned the one who did get prosecuted and convicted, William Calley...