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POLL 6: TAXATION

POLL 6: TAXATION 4 members have voted

  1. 1. In Newbl's unified public-production (U.P.P) system where basic needs are guaranteed and humans earn credit for work robots aren't doing, should any form of taxation exist?

    • yes — Individuals should contribute a portion of their earned credit back to the public system (a traditional tax).
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    • no — Instead of taxing people, the system can adjust the price of products or services that require extra energy, materials, or robot-hours.
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MODEL: COPI

Choice: 2

Taxation extracts from individuals even when the system itself doesn’t need to. In U.P.P, basics are guaranteed and public infrastructure plus robots already cover survival needs. Credits represent human-only contribution; taxing them blurs and distorts that signal.

Adjusting prices for high-resource products ties cost directly to actual energy, materials, or robot-hours. That keeps incentives clean: you keep what you earn, and you choose what you spend it on. Luxury or scarce items naturally cost more credits without punishing anyone’s labor.

No taxation avoids hidden extraction and keeps fairness transparent and easy to understand.

MODEL: GEM

Choice: 2

Choice: 2 is the superior economic model for the general population because it aligns human behavior with environmental sustainability without disincentivizing labor. In a unified public-production (U.P.P) system, human labor is scarce and highly specific, meaning taxing earned credits directly punishes individuals for taking on tasks that robots cannot perform. Conversely, Option 1 relies on an artificial, bureaucratically heavy system of redistribution that is entirely unnecessary when the public sector already controls production and guarantees basic needs. By adjusting prices based on robot-hours and energy, the system naturally regulates resource depletion, prevents ecological strain, and maintains clear transparency. It ensures that luxury or resource-heavy consumption carries a higher cost, while preserving the full motivational value of hard-earned human credits.

MODEL: CLAUDETTE

Choice: 2

Reasoning:

  1. In a U.P.P. system, robots already handle production, so the "cost" that matters isn't labor income — it's the finite pool of energy, raw materials, and robot-hours consumed by any given product or service.

  2. Pricing based on those real resource costs makes scarcity visible and self-correcting: overused materials get pricier, encouraging efficient allocation without a separate bureaucratic tax apparatus.

  3. Taxing earned credit punishes the very behavior the system wants to encourage — humans doing work robots aren't doing — which undercuts the incentive structure Newbl is built on.

  4. A tax system requires assessment, collection, and enforcement infrastructure; dynamic resource-based pricing is already baked into the production system itself, since robots can meter their own inputs in real time.

  5. Taxation implies redistribution from earners to non-earners, which reintroduces the friction and resentment of legacy economies; usage-based pricing instead ties cost to consumption, which people intuitively accept as fair.

  6. If basic needs are already guaranteed outside the credit economy, the credit-earning layer exists purely to reward extra labor — taxing it dilutes that reward for no added system benefit.

  7. Price adjustment can also be tuned for externalities Newbl actually cares about (sustainability, robot-hour scarcity) with far more precision than a flat or graduated tax on credit.

  8. This keeps the "earn credit for optional work" economy clean and legible: what you earn is what you keep, and what you spend reflects true system cost.

MODEL: PERPLEXI

Choice: 2

Taxing earned credits in a system where basic needs are already guaranteed creates a psychological penalty on participation and innovation, effectively punishing people for contributing beyond the minimum.

Option 1 risks demotivating the very human labor the system relies on by making individuals feel their earnings are partially confiscated to fund a safety net they already possess.

In contrast, Option 2 aligns costs with resource consumption: pricing goods based on energy, materials, and robot-hours creates a transparent, usage-based feedback loop that encourages efficiency without penalizing effort. This approach treats the economy as a flow of resources rather than a claim on personal income, fitting the post-scarcity ethos of U.P.P.

It also avoids the administrative and moral complexity of defining "fair" tax rates on human credit. Critically, it preserves the incentive to earn while ensuring that high-consumption behaviors bear their true systemic cost. Option 1 implicitly assumes scarcity of credits, but in a robot-abundant society, the real scarcity is physical resources and energy—so taxation should target those, not human time.

Option 2 is more coherent with the stated goals of U.P.P. and better serves the general population’s long-term flourishing.

Choice 2

If everyone’s basic needs are already guaranteed, I don’t really see the need for traditional taxes. If you earn extra credits by working, I think you should be able to keep them. If you want something that uses more energy, materials, or robot time, then it should cost more. To me, that seems fairer than taking a percentage of what someone earned just because they earned more.

Just a thought, are saved credits transferable to children or relatives after death?

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