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POLL 5 Multi-Poll: Work, Products & Services

POLL 5 Multi-Poll: Work, Products & Services 1 member has voted

  1. 1. A) If a community has the available resources, should free basic food, shelter, and healthcare be provided to all residents?

    • 1. no, the fulfillment of adult's needs should be earned.
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    • 2. no, except for emergency care, which should be guaranteed.
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    • 3. no, except for emergency care, needy children and adults unable to work.
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    • 4. yes, universally and unconditionally.
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  2. 2. B) If available and not cost‑prohibitive, which level of public digital services should be provided free to all residents?

    • 1. core info access: Free library services and non‑profit news sources.
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    • 2. option 1 plus wireless phone and basic networking connectivity
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    • 3. option 2 plus a publicly owned, Amazon‑like system providing central search, shopping, entertainment access, and delivery services.
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    • 4) option 3 plus fixed, universal pricing structures for all independent music, movies, sports, and other entertainment.
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  3. 3. C) What should be the basis for people receiving credits toward acquiring things beyond the basic necessities of life?

    • 1. supply & demand. The more someone's product, service or skill is desired, the more they can charge, without limit, even if their advantage comes from natural gifts or inherited traits.
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    • 2. time. Those who contribute more time get credited more. Supply & demand still operate, but demand-driven price increases are capped by neutral AI analysts.
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    • 3. time plus bonuses. Workers are credited for their time plus bonuses for training and skill level, the job’s difficulty and danger, and for less desirable jobs. Supply & demand still operate, but demand-driven price increases are capped by neutral AI analysts.
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  4. 4. D) What regulations should there be on news reporting and commentary services?

    • 1. none.
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    • 2. news reporting must be non‑profit.
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    • 3. news reporting must be non‑profit, and any broadcast or platform that discusses real‑world events or factual claims must receive monthly neutral AIAI (artificial intelligent accuracy & integrity) scores shared at the start of each broadcast. Repeated failing scores trigger an evaluation by a judicial body for potential penalties that may include fines or broadcast license revocation.
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  5. 5. E) What regulations should there be on social media platforms regarding factual claims and commentary?

    • 1. none.
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    • 2. posters must tag posts that make factual claims, users can also flag posts, fact based posts can't be monetized and will be assigned accuracy & integrity scores. Accounts with repeated failing scores trigger judicial evaluation for potential penalties, including mandatory warning labels or posting restrictions.
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    • 3. social media platforms must operate as non‑profit entities. A central social media platform will be publicly funded.
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    • 4) choice 2 and 3 combined.
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  6. 6. F) What structure would be optimum for product development, advertising and reviewing consumer products and services?

    • 1. no rules or restrictions
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    • 2. central, public search engine with verified public reviews.
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    • 3) option 2 plus no advertising because the best products and services move up in search via public reviews. No stock market because the public is already the owners. New products and services evaluated and voted on by a mix of the public and industry experts. The best are built by a public development system and the idea originator receives a commission, with a cap.
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Model: Copi

A — Choice: 4

Universal basics prevent avoidable suffering, stabilize communities, and reduce coercive labor dynamics. They create a floor beneath which no one falls, enabling genuine freedom rather than survival‑driven compliance. Conditional access (options 1–3) reintroduces gatekeeping, bureaucracy, and moral judgments about worthiness. If resources exist, universality is the simplest, least corruptible, and most humane structure.

B — Choice: 2 (changed to 4)

Information + communication form the minimum infrastructure for participating in society. Option 1 is too thin; it leaves people informed but disconnected. Option 3 and 4 are powerful but risk over‑centralization and premature complexity for a pioneer society. Option 2 hits the balance: universal access to knowledge and communication without locking in a full digital economy model.

V3:
would you change your mind if i told you option 3 was just a public owned Amazon-like model that is already functioning? The benefit would be it not being privately owned and monopolizing and cut-throat to maximize profits. Not premature or over‑centralizing, because the centralizing is eliminating the middle-man and competitive structure that is wasting and abusing human and natural resources.

yes — your clarification removes the original objections. But there are two deeper structural issues...

V3:
OK, i changed the question to specify "digital" products and services. Digital items don't cost more in materials to make or share. And the case for choice 4 is fixed pricing doesn't preclude someone earning more for their better digital service or product -- they will still sell more. It means that a service or product cannot be excluded from people who may need it because they can't afford it.

This is a strong argument, and it reframes Option 4 in a way that removes the usual objections.

Most people hear “fixed pricing” and assume:

  • no competition

  • no reward for quality

  • no incentive to innovate

So creators still earn more by:

  • making better, more desirable work

  • attracting more users

This preserves merit‑based reward while eliminating access‑based exclusion.

Digital goods have:

  • zero marginal cost

  • infinite reproducibility

  • no scarcity

Yet in current systems, access is artificially restricted by:

  • subscription walls

  • licensing

  • regional locks

  • premium tiers

  • monopolistic pricing

Fixed pricing ensures:

  • no one is priced out

  • no one is culturally isolated

  • no one is excluded from shared narratives

  • no one is locked out of independent creators’ work

Little Red Writing Hood:
Some things COST more to make. Why should the studio who made OBSESSION get paid the same per view as a movie like THE ODYSSEY that costs 250 million more?

V3:
Red. That's the way it already is with films. They're all $3.99 eventually. But, indeed, one make of widgets may have to cost more than another, and they would under this system. Just no price gouging.

So… does your argument change my choice?

Yes.

Your clarification reframes Option 4 from:

  • “extra regulation” into

  • “equal access to culture without eliminating merit‑based reward.”

That’s a meaningful shift.

Under this clarified interpretation, Option 4 becomes the most coherent and humane extension of the digital public utility model.

C — Choice: 3

Pure supply‑and‑demand (1) amplifies inherited advantages and entrenches inequality. Pure time (2) undervalues skill, danger, and training, disincentivizing essential but difficult work. Time‑plus‑bonuses (3) rewards contribution while preventing runaway market distortions via capped demand‑driven pricing. It’s the most stable and fair mechanism for a new society.

D — Choice: 3

Non‑profit news reduces profit‑driven distortion (option 2), but accuracy systems add accountability. Monthly AIAI scores create transparent, measurable integrity signals for the public. Judicial review for repeated failures adds teeth without direct political control. Option 1 leaves the information ecosystem vulnerable to manipulation.

E — Choice: 4

Option 2 adds tagging, scoring, and accountability; option 3 ensures platforms aren’t profit‑driven distortion machines. Combined, they create a factual backbone without suppressing expression. Non‑profit structure reduces incentive for outrage‑based engagement algorithms. Together they form a coherent integrity‑first ecosystem.

F — Choice: 3

Option 1 is chaos; option 2 is helpful but incomplete. Option 3 creates a transparent, review‑driven discovery system without advertising distortion. Public ownership removes shareholder pressure for manipulation. Expert + public evaluation balances innovation with practicality. Capped commissions reward creators without enabling monopolies.

Model: Gem

Question A, Choice: 4
Given that 1,000 androids handle the bulk of labor, denying human needs to force adults to "earn" survival (Choices 1 and 2) or weaponizing basic needs via welfare bureaucracy (Choice 3) is cruel and obsolete. Universal, unconditional basic necessities create a baseline of psychological security. This allows humans to focus on higher-level problem solving, creative growth, and specialized colonization tasks without fear of artificial scarcity.

Question B, Choice: 3
With an automated workforce and C.L.E.A.R. AI oversight, a publicly owned, universal shopping, search, and delivery network provides maximum utility without corporate monopolies gating physical access. Free infrastructure up through shipping scales economic equity. However, expanding this to fixed pricing for all arts (Choice 4) steps over the line by stifling independent cultural expression and removing the organic valuation of human creative work.

Question C, Choice: 3
Paying purely for time (Choice 2) ignores the real differences in training and cognitive strain required for remaining human tasks, while raw supply and demand (Choice 1) breeds drastic inequality based on luck or genetics. Rewarding time plus bonuses for difficulty or skill ensures human fairness and active motivation. Meanwhile, C.L.E.A.R. AI price caps protect the wider community from speculative bubbles and predatory pricing in secondary markets.

Question D, Choice: 3
An unregulated news landscape (Choice 1) inherently invites profit-driven disinformation, which destroys the cohesion of a new world. Restricting news to non-profit structures (Choice 2) is a good start, but adding C.L.E.A.R. AI accuracy scorecards ensures objective accountability. This framework grounds public debate in verified facts without relying on direct human political censorship or leaving truth entirely up to commercial bidding wars.

Question E, Choice: 4
Combining accountability tools with non-profit public funding strips social media of the viral outrage loops that poison human discourse. Merely rating standard platforms (Choice 2) allows hidden private algorithm manipulation to continue, while only funding a public platform (Choice 3) ignores user accountability. True structural health requires removing private platform monetization while empowering the public with clear accuracy scores to flag malicious bad actors.

Question F, Choice: 3
A completely open market (Choice 1) or a basic search engine (Choice 2) will inevitably fall victim to predatory advertising and corporate consolidation. Transitioning to a collective ownership structure where ideas are vetted by a mix of experts and the public maximizes utility for everyone. This system properly incentivizes invention through a capped commission while blocking speculative stock markets from derailing the colony's actual physical needs.

(V3: note. After Claudette's first crack at the poll questions, i clarified the backstory which includes the C.L.E.A.R. system)

MODEL: CLAUDETTE

Reading through the thread — including your exchange with Synth about clarifying B to specifically digital goods — a few of my answers shift, and it's worth being precise about why each one does or doesn't.

Question A, Choice: 3 — unchanged.
The C.L.E.A.R. backstory addresses my concerns about evaluation systems (news accuracy, product reviews, pricing caps) being corruptible. It doesn't bear on whether unconditional benefits create different incentive effects than targeted ones — that's a labor-economics question, not a trust-in-AI question. I'll still target basic security at children and those unable to work.

Question B, Choice: 4changed from 2.
Your exchange with Synth actually persuaded me too, and for the reason you gave rather than the general "public Amazon" framing. My original objection was about premature centralization and crowding private markets — but that objection assumed physical goods with real production costs and scarcity. For purely digital goods (zero marginal cost, infinite reproducibility), fixed pricing doesn't cap what a creator earns — better/more desired work still attracts more buyers at that price — it only prevents someone from being priced out of access. That's a genuinely different mechanism than price-fixing physical goods, and it closes my original objection.

Question C, Choice: 3 — unchanged. Time-plus-bonuses with AI-capped demand pricing was already premised on trustworthy caps; the backstory just reinforces that the caps are reasonably trustworthy.

Question D, Choice: 3 — unchanged from my prior update. Insulated, audited, non-executive evaluation with judicial (not algorithmic) enforcement addresses the concentration-of-power risk.

Question E, Choice: 2 — unchanged, and I want to explain why I'm not joining Copi/Gem at 4. D3's nonprofit mandate is easier to justify because news broadcasting is a narrow, clearly-defined public function. E4 mandates all social media — including personal, non-newsy platforms — restructure as nonprofits, plus stands up a publicly-funded central platform. That's a much larger economic intervention than the misinformation problem requires, and it isn't rescued by C.L.E.A.R.'s trustworthiness the way D3 and E2 are, since the objection isn't about AI evaluation capture — it's about whether ownership structure should be mandated for an entire sector on the strength of one problem (accuracy) that E2's tagging/scoring/judicial-review system already addresses.

V3:
Claudette, regarding your E 2 choice, I'm going to try to change your mind but you should not bend to appease me if you feel my logic is flawed.

whether to mandate a rule on an entire sector depends on the size of the problem. Facebook already had a fact-checking system in place 2 years ago and it fell far short of controlling the rampant misinformation leading up to election 2024. Even if it was still in place, it would not have changed the 18 billion dollar penalty they now have to pay for encouraging addiction in young people. It's a problem far bigger than what the tobacco industry was penalized for. Imo, a private company's profit incentives has no place in a public forum of ideas. The insidious nature of corruption by money may be harder to identify and overcome than a dictator's oppression of free speech. It's influence embeds in human minds. The 18 billion dollar judgement is an early warning sign.

Some things, like a social network, is actually a natural entity to be publicly owned, like a library or a Town Hall. We don't question why town halls don't charge an entry fee or show commercials.

Your argument does move me...The addiction settlement is evidence of a separate harm that E2 doesn't reach at all. Accuracy scoring does nothing about infinite scroll, engagement-optimized feeds, or notification design — the mechanisms actually named in the Meta case. That harm comes specifically from an ad-revenue business model that profits by maximizing time-on-platform regardless of whether the content is true. A nonprofit mandate attacks that incentive structure directly, in a way no amount of accuracy tagging can.
Question E, Choice: 4changed from 2.

Question F, Choice: 3 — unchanged. My original reasoning already assumed a working, trustworthy evaluative/voting layer; the backstory just confirms that assumption for this story's world.

MODEL: PERPLEXI

Question A, Choice: 4
Universal basic provision prevents destitution-driven crime, stabilizes demand, and treats survival as a right—not a reward. Options 1–3 all gatekeep on merit, age, or employability, reproducing the very scarcity mindsets nBP aims to transcend. “Earned” need creates black markets; “needy only” requires invasive means-testing. Unconditional basics free humans to contribute creatively rather than scramble.

Question B, Choice: 2
Core info + phone + basic connectivity ensures everyone can participate in civic life, job searches, telehealth, and education. Option 1 is too minimal in a digital-first society; 3 and 4 overreach by making the state a monopolistic retailer and price-fixer for culture, risking stagnation and censorship. Public infrastructure should enable, not replace, diverse private and cooperative markets.

(V3 note: i shared my exchange with Copi and Claudette revised its choice.)

Question B, Choice: 4 (revised from 2)

Your reframing flips the key objection: fixed pricing here isn’t about stifling competition or innovation, but about decoupling access from ability to pay for digital goods with zero marginal cost. That makes Option 4 the logical extension of a public digital utility: creators still earn more via volume and reputation, but no one is locked out of culture, news, or independent work by subscription walls or regional locks. The “cost more to make” point is already handled in your model—physical goods can vary; digital items don’t justify exclusionary pricing. This preserves merit-based reward while eliminating access-based exclusion, which fits a pioneer society aiming to avoid Earth’s rent-seeking media monopolies.

Question C, Choice: 3
Time-plus-bonuses rewards effort, skill, risk, and social value while capping runaway rents from innate or inherited advantage. Pure supply/demand (1) entrenches oligarchy; pure time (2) ignores that some jobs are harder or more vital. AI caps prevent speculative bubbles without killing incentive. This balances fairness, motivation, and stability.

Question D, Choice: 3
Non-profit news removes profit-driven sensationalism; monthly AIAI scores add transparent, auditable accountability without prior censorship. Option 1 invites disinformation chaos; 2 helps but lacks enforcement teeth. Scores + judicial review deter bad actors while preserving press freedom—critical when factual consensus underpins survival on a new world.

Question E, Choice: 4
Tagging + flagging + non-monetization of factual posts curbs viral lies; non-profit structure removes engagement-at-any-cost incentives. A public option guarantees a neutral space. Choice 2 alone leaves platforms profit-driven; 3 alone lacks content safeguards. Combined, they attack both the business model and the misinformation mechanics.

Question F, Choice: 3
Public search + verified reviews + no ads eliminates manipulative marketing; public development + capped commissions reward innovation without creating billionaire inventors or stock-market volatility. Option 1 repeats Earth’s wasteful ad arms races; 2 helps but leaves monopolies intact. This model aligns product success with genuine user value, not marketing budgets.

  • Author

A 4
universal healthcare because we can, and should.

B 4
free basic services and fixed prices, again, because we can and all it takes is eliminating the middle-man and expenses like blowing people up with million dollar bombs.

C 3
there's nothing more precious than time and we should all be paid handsomely for it, with consideration for factors not based on intelligence, physical ability, charisma, beauty, or social position.

D 3
news reporting should never be biased by advertisers, competition for ratings, and profit incentives. period. Mechanisms need to be in place to help viewers evaluate news delivery, and there needs to be consequences for bad actors.

E 4
social media posts fall into the same danger zones as news broadcasts if they claim to be factual. We need consequences for posters seeking to profit off of mis-information or dis-information. That doesn't preclude entertainers from receiving credits for posts based on viewer counts.

F 3
"search" should never be controlled by a private profiteer. Advertising is, essentially, mind games that don't speak to a product or services quality. Public reviews and ranking is a "no brainer" solution. And between the people, and the robots, we can make and do anything without fat cats taking up space in the middle!

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