it's not just veganism. There are coordinated industry social media manipulations and attacks on all kinds of food products

Coordinated Attacks on Veganism

How Industry-Backed Campaigns Shape Online Discourse

3 hours ago, macphysto said:

I don't know why some people think that scolding, ridiculing, and sarcasm are effective methods of persuasion. At the risk of incurring your ire, Cap'n, I agree with Bill Maher (and I'm paraphrasing), ridiculing doesn't make people rethink their behavior; it makes them rethink you.

it doesn't make sense for Maher to say that since his career was built on "scolding, ridiculing, and sarcasm"

and it doesn't make sense for you or i to say that, since, we both stopped eating meat because someone pointed out the hypocrisy and insensitivity of it

and it doesn't make sense for any of us here who pull no punches when it comes to our style of dealing with the Lyin' King and his supporters. I'm not getting the scent of "honey" anywhere.

3 hours ago, BobDylan said:

this needs to be more of a back burner issue in the political and culture wars these days.

but it is very "back-burner" and always has been -- even though it's the key to the climate change crisis which can absolutely not be a back-burned because we may literally burn up if we wait for the issue to become, shall we say, palatable

anyway, for the purposes of newBluePlanet all issues are on the table

4 hours ago, BobDylan said:

tho I've been guilty of that sometimes myself, letting my passion for an issue overcome...letting others enjoy their wish to attend to something more appealing

there in lies the key to where we are in our ethical evolution

1. we are willing to judge, but not to be judged

2. we are willing to dismiss our own hypocrisies under the guise of "letting us enjoy something"

3. 200 years ago, you might have said, let the guests enjoy the meal picked and served by the owner's slaves

4 hours ago, BobDylan said:

attacking you for simply not living up to their own ridiculously strict standards

that's not really true. There are thousands of food products in our grocery store that do not come from animals (that can suffer the same as our pet cats and dogs, and take less of our toll on our environment)

4 hours ago, BobDylan said:

(saying) how everyone should live or behave.

we're telling people how to live and behave all over this forum

4 hours ago, BobDylan said:

you are doing the best anyone could for your means, same as most of us, in living an honest and humane life

i don't believe you believe that's true, and that's what makes you sensitive about it

your ego is telling you that someone else is claiming to be "superior." More ethical.

here's the thing.
BD, Scary, and MacP could do better. V3 could do better
and none of us are more superior than MAGA
we just behave better
but, for example, i buy products i know were made from slave wages. and i use a.i.
i could do better
i confess my sins -- and i will try to do better

THE FIRST STEP IS TO STOP MAKING EXCUSES. ACKNOWLEDGE THE BAD BEHAVIOR AND PROMOTE THE GOOD BEHAVIOR
yes, like we're all friggin puppies that need to be trained!

again. this is newBluePlanet
the whole idea here is to talk about the way the world, logically, should be.
make excuses with friends and family if that makes you feel better
but this should be a space where we build on the truth
AT LEAST IN THEORY
for a start
a new start
something hopeful to believe in
and strive for