[conversation summary between V3 and Lindy]

if he's found to be a pedo, they can't keep in office

what do you mean, can't keep. What do they do to remove him

pick him up, he's an old man
grab him by the diaper

there has to be a procedure

since the Supreme Court allowed him immunity, does that cover him?

it covers him from doing things that are fall under his presidential "duties"

including the duty in his pants?

they have the power to impeach him, but given the immunity complications maybe he has to be impeached for something pre-president

they can redact all of his Epstein mentions

they can, but that doesn't satisfy the people, and that's what it's about at this point

the girls can come forward, at any point

yes, we don't know what the girls know
and it seems strategic for Epstein's operation, and it was an operation, to keep parties from knowing about each other, and which clients they interacted with. they're only a handful of the girls.

virginia says there were upwards of a thousand girls. There was a room full of photos (a trophy room) of young girls

since you read her book, perhaps you can share more relevant details...

It was extremely disturbing. Starting with Ghislane Maxwell. If THE LYIN' KING pardons her all hell will break loose. Maxwell is as evil as Epstein. She not only prayed on naive young girls, she lied to them, promised them their future dreams would all come true and handed them over to Epstein. As she did with most of the girls, telling them all they needed to do was give him a massage. She said she would stay with them and show Virginia how to do it. As soon as they were in the room Epstein introduced himself and told her to take her clothes off. Maxwell convinced her to do it. After massaging him for a few minutes he turned over naked and erect. Epstein raped her while Maxwell joined in.

If Maxwell is pardoned, all hell should break loose, and if I were her, I would flee the country, because she would likely then be in danger of being whacked by either someone doing it for THE LYIN' KING or on behalf of the victims. And the latter would be justified, in my mind... I've had enough of seeing the guilty being able to just be pardoned and skate away with little or no consequences. Doesn't mean I will do it myself to them, but I'm not going to condemn it when it happens..

He's already proven to us that he is crazy enough to pardon her. He seems to enjoy watching how far he can go.

Same as pardoning all the J6rs, it fires up his base with owning the libs, and in that case, he also got a group to staff his private ICE gestapo army... He does enjoy seeing how outrageous he can get away with being, and pardoning her would give him the same benefits as the first part of what he got from pardoning the J6rs..

there are rumors (of course) that Epstein is not dead. That "he had a dead man’s switch set up of anything happened to him. They grabbed him and are taking care of him somewhere no one else knows about. If he was killed it would trigger a bunch of pre set up arrangements that would bring everyone down."

it does make some sense, that this shrewd operator would have had some protection mechanism in place. How could he not, considering all the dirt he had on so many powerful people? He would have known that, without one, his life would always be in danger!

I've been thinking the same thing about Maxwell, that she has to know that she has many people, not just THE LYIN' KING, that would love to have her whacked, if she becomes too much of a threat of informing on them, and so she too would have some sort of protection plan in place, to have stuff released to the public, if anything bad happened to her, such as an "accident" or "suicide"....

here's the loopholes they will use to hold back key info. The share cannot...

1. depict or contain child sexual or physical abuse

2. jeopardize an active federal investigation or ongoing prosecution

   so basically, the criminal stuff
   and, basically, we've been duped again
   nothing released will incriminate anyone
   just raise more questions

also, there is, conveniently, no specification in the Congressional order regarding punishment for not releasing all the files today!

it's also another statement about the media. The could have clarified these loopholes a month ago, but they strung as along rehashing the same talking points between commercial breaks.

“The victims know 20 accused that should be in those files. If we don’t see them in the files, they’re not releasing them,” Rep Massie told HuffPost this week.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1911004843152396

I hope you watch the video. Melanie Stansbury is on the Oversight and Government reform committee. She is such a caring and involved congress person. As sweet as she can be is as tough as she can be. She will always ask the hard questions and never gets intimidated by anyone. She is always ready to let us know exactly what is taking place in the House on a daily basis. She cares deeply about her constituents, democracy and the truth. We need more of that.

I don't expect I will get my Christmas wish of seeing the Prez being handcuffed and put in a padded wagon but if there is truly any justice left in the government let the truth come out.

Rep. #MelanieStansbury says she reviewed the newly unsealed Epstein-related files and found repeated references to #DonaldTrump, including discussions of a subpoena and deposition from a past civil case involving Epstein.

She explained that the records include emails between Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell and associates discussing THE LYIN' KING’s visits, and that Epstein claimed to possess photos of THE LYIN' KING with young women.

Stansbury also pointed to testimony from one accuser who said she was recruited while working at Mar-a-Lago, and argued that THE LYIN' KING was aware of the recruitment practices taking place there. These claims are part of sworn statements and court documents now publicly available, and Stansbury says the public deserves transparency about who knew what and when.”

#EpsteinFiles #GhislaineMaxwell

Help this information get to more voters.

The Justice department did not comply with the law that demanded the release of ALL of the Epstein files. Khanna and Massie are accusing the DOJ of contempt of congress and obstructing justice.

Are any of us surprised?

Not me, not the least bit. They are doing exactly what I expected, becahuse they know the Dems in congress, as well as the Epstein victims, have no power whatsover, in the congress, or the courts, to bring any consequences to the DOJ or FBI, for this coverup. We are witnessing the clear and convincing proof that the THE LYIN' KING administration is totally lawless and unaccountable for anything they do. Expect more of the same, until at least the next elected congress, assuming we even have midterm elections and that they are not rigged for the Repubs. But even with that, the Dems are not going to retake the Senate, so all they will be able to do is block the Repubs from passing anything then, and if THE LYIN' KING or Vance keep using executive orders, instead of passing congressional bills, all the House Dems would really be able to do in 2027, would be to hold oversight and investigative hearings, with subpena power, to expose the crimes of the administration, etc.

Still, even with that, they would have no power to punish the Repubs for their crimes, only to make them look bad and hope to retake the Senate and WH in 2028. Finally, I fully expect that even if the House Dems have the majority after the midterms, the THE LYIN' KING or Vance admin. officials will simply ignore the subpeonas and refuse to show up for the hearings, and would likely never be prosecuted or punished for contempt of congress violations for not appearing at the hearings. Because the DOJ would refuse to prosecute them. The rule of law is now gone, for at least the next couple years, if not longer, with our fed govt...

Frankly, I have little hope that we will survive what's coming between now and then, as far as further domestic fascism, and even if THE LYIN' KING is gone next year, the people behind him will continue their agenda, against his political opponents and dissenters like us. It's not going to stop just with grabbing up and deporting brown people.. Sorry to say it, folks, but I knew we were screwed, short of a mass rebellion against THE LYIN' KING, with tens of millions in the streets every day, and staying there, forcing the military and cops to take sides with us, etc., none of which ever happened, as soon as THE LYIN' KING won the trifecta in Nov. 2024, of both houses of congress and the WH... At this stage, the only thing that would save us, is a military coup against THE LYIN' KING and Vance, which ain't gonna happen...

Merry freaking X-mas and a happy NY, my fellow heretics!....

55 minutes ago, BobDylan said:

Not me, not the least bit . . .

I am a fellow cynic and I approve this message.

And people wonder why I've been so struggling with depression for the last year...... and the accompanying frustration of dealing with people who either have been tuning out all of the news about the process of fascism being implemented here in America, or, who have been following it, but still blindly believing that voting blue no matter who, will somehow save us. I can't decide which group is more insufferable or infuriating to deal with...

And the funny, paradoxical thing is, cynic as I am about politics and the American economic system, I somehow still have a fair amount of hope about personal relationships and even romance, despite a fair amount of my own disappointment and bad experiences with some friendships and lots of dating relationships with women outside of my one wife. And I think the reason for that, is because at least in personal, voluntary relationships, there is usually not the extreme power imbalances that we see in the societal level things like politics and economics. Things are a lot more fair, when you're talking about simply two people who both have free will and relatively equal power to choose what and who they will accept in a relationship, and who negotiate said relationship between themselves, rather than thru large organizations in the societal agreements and arrangements about how we run things and treat each other as Americans..

It seems much easier to have hope and faith in two people being able to be fair, honest, and able to agree on things mutually and fairly, than societies of people being manipulated with mass media, propaganda, governments and money....

Funny and amazing, how that MAGA cognitive dissonance and mental gymnastics work..

new angle

the Lyin King was not elected because he said he would expose the Epstein files
he was elected precisely because he wouldn't
by the rich, powerful, and guilty who put one of their own in power

I have little doubt of that. The corporate media were a big help to him in the last election cycle, and they wanted the Epstein files to remain buried, as far as exposing the guilty men. At the same time, the corporate media loves covering the uproar about the files, and the ratings it drives for them. The corporate media doesn't care at all about justice or helping justice be achieved, only about the public battles regarding justice.. As Lily Tomlin would say, you can never be cynical enough, when it comes to the corporate media or those with great power or money. Trust them only by their actions, not on their words..

the lyin' king's new Federal Reserve pick is in the Epstein files
that's how it works, and he learned it from Putin
surround yourself with people who HAVE TO be loyal to you

Seems like everyone in the power circles of DC these days, and in the past few decades, are probably all in the Epstein files, because they are all part of the same class, the Epstein class.. Where political party connections or affiliations don't matter, because all of them are in the same big club, the wealthy elite..