to be clear, there's some talk about about dividing the country into 2 countries like the division of North Korea and a South Korea. Or some other configuration that would allow America's right-wing to do their things. Indeed, very complicated, but it deserves some contemplation given the extreme direction they're taking the whole country right now.

off the top of my head, i think there may be some semi-reasonable options. Something that might take affect in, like a decade. Hell, i'd move to get out of hell if my state goes their way.

saw this on FB. A proposal for a "soft succession." It does speak to the point that the blue states do have leverage to use against this tyrant king and could and should apply that leverage instead of being bullied.

DEAR RED STATES… WE’RE LEAVING

Dear Red States,

We’ve decided we’re leaving. We intend to form our own country, and we’re taking the other Blue States with us. That includes Hawaii, Washington, Oregon, California, New Mexico, Colorado, Illinois, Minnesota, Virginia, most of the Northeast, and our favorite swing-flirts like Michigan and Pennsylvania when they behave.

We’ll call ourselves The United States of Sanity. You can keep Mar-a-Lago.

Here’s the split:
• We get stem-cell research. You get stemware from Branson gift shops.
• We get the Statue of Liberty. You get the world’s largest ball of twine.
• We get Apple, Microsoft, Google, and you get MyPillow.
• We get Hollywood. You get Duck Dynasty reruns.

Resources:
• We control most of the venture capital, the Ivy League, the West Coast tech corridor, the Great Lakes (about 84% of North America’s surface fresh water), and 95% of U.S. wine production.
• You get coal, cattle, and almost all the tornadoes.
• Pineapples? Hawaii. Lettuce? California. Cheese? Sorry, Wisconsin votes blue more often than not, so it’s coming with us.

Taxes and money:
• On average, blue states send more to Washington than they get back. Red states take in more federal dollars than they pay. So when we “split the check,” you’ll be picking up your own tab for the first time in decades. Good luck with that.

Culture:
• Blue states have lower divorce rates and higher life expectancy. Red states have more churches per square mile, but somehow not more stable marriages.
• In recent polls, around 40% of Republicans still doubt evolution, and a stubborn minority think Saddam helped with 9/11. Y’all can keep those history books.
• We get Broadway. You get Branson, which is kind of Broadway if it ran on casseroles and Precious Moments figurines.

Weather:
• Hurricanes? You’ll still get clobbered in Florida and Texas.
• Mosquitoes? Honestly, they’re bipartisan — but they seem happier in your humidity.

Peace out,
—The Blue States 🥂💻🌊

This is a great post. From your lips to god’s ears!

Never should have allowed southern states voting rights after the civil war.

52 minutes ago, ToledoMike said:

Never should have allowed southern states voting rights after the civil war.

interesting and complicated, Toledo. I suppose voting rights was a way to put an end to the violence. But now, between Musk, the King and all the king's men, they're doing all they can to take away the voting rights of others.

The problem is, even the most red states are 30% blue and the most blue states are 30-45% red. It’s not a clean, down-the-middle division that will solve everything.

I’d rather see the end of all federal taxes and laws and services except for military. Each state wholly independent on all the top issues, and self funded.

This would include FCC, FAA, all of it. Fly into Alabama and listen to their radio at your own risk. Or drive and listen to subscribed podcasts.

On 11/8/2025 at 7:12 AM, JNL said:

The problem is, even the most red states are 30% blue and the most blue states are 30-45% red. It’s not a clean, down-the-middle division that will solve everything.

I’d rather see the end of all federal taxes and laws and services except for military. Each state wholly independent on all the top issues, and self funded.

This would include FCC, FAA, all of it. Fly into Alabama and listen to their radio at your own risk. Or drive and listen to subscribed podcasts.

i like your out-of-the box thinking but it gets even more complicated. What if some southern states choose to go back to slavery? only men voting. No gay rights. One religion? Texas only sells oil to red states but pollutes the skies of a dozen states with their unregulated pollution, etc..

JNL- The last line of your comment sounds like my upcoming Thanksgiving trip to Oklahoma to see my two sisters. Driving several hours there from my home in Iowa, thru southwestern Missouri, eastern Kansas, and then the northeastern part of Oklahoma. Done it before, and it's a cultural wasteland, as far as radio, nothing but country music stations, Christian radio, and right wing talk radio. As before, I will bring a bunch of CDs to play and also just enjoy the silence for some of the ride by myself....

Interesting discussion here! Seems that the root problem has always been that this country is just too vastly geographically big, to manage as one entity. In that sense it is similar to Russia or China…..

..."57%, believe the U.S. is on a path to another civil war... More than three-quarters of respondents said they are worried that freedom of speech is being eroded, and 69% believe democracy is under major threat."

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