whether the N@zi word is used or not, America has failed in standing up to the Gestapo measures the current government has applied to fellow human beings. The murders by ICE agents in Minnesota are the inevitable result of our failure as citizens of the world to stand up against blatant discrimination and tyranny.

WE HAVE BEEN COMPLICIT IN THE RISE OF AN AMERICAN FUHRER

all of the signs were there. the n@zi salutes, his take of having "good genes" and using other phrases and concepts from Hitler's greatest hits. His ex-wife even claimed in during their divorce proceedings that he kept a book of Adolf's speeches in the bedroom.

but here's where those on the left and in the media were most complicit...

we CAVED on the immigration issue!
it was an issue that continued to be unresolved
AND SHOULD HAVE STAYED UNRESOLVED
until the core issue of income inequality was properly addressed
people are risking their lives to cross a line in the sand with their family
because of the hardships on the other side of the line

we CAVED believing if we let them employ their Gestapo measures on hispanic families
perhaps we could win the next election
with the Democrats, it's always about scoring points NEXT election
more-so than doing what's right now and properly selling what's right to the public

specifically
1. we could have applied pressure on businesses that hire illegals, rather than human beings
2. we could have spoken up loudly and forcefully every time a racist discriminatory word was spoken. How many times have we heard, "they're thugs, criminals, murderer's, rapists, gang members, drug dealers, and MENTALLY ILL? -- and said nothing.

the stats show the opposite. They're less likely to commit crimes. The "mentally ill" part is the clincher in a pervasive presentation that amounts to Hitler's Greatest Hit of all -- THEY'RE INFERIOR

you know the saying...
"first they came for others. and i said nothing. then they came for me"

now, that's happened. In Minnesota. White citizens are being beaten and killed by highly paid (by us), barely trained, masked, armed agents of the Fourth Reich!

It’s all beyond sickening. To top it off 7 democrats voted for continued funding of ICE. What is happening in Minnesota is horrible. Amazing job by the protestors and protectors. These people have heart and resilience as they are standing up to barely and badly trained Ice Agents who now have no restrictions or consequences for anything they do. I believe as of yesterday they are allowed to enter your residence without a warrant. It is amazing the restraint the protesters have shown. How long are they supposed to be terrorized by these people. It’s got to stop. These agents need to be prosecuted. HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO DIE BEFORE THIS PRESIDENT AND ADMINISTRATION CAN BE STOPPED. AND WHO IS GOING TO STOP THEM WHEN THE MAJORITY OF THE GOVERNMENT IS EITHER COMPLETELY CORRUPT OR ARE AFRAID TO DO ANYTHING. THAT ONLY LEAVES THE MILITARY AND THE MEDIA. CIVIL WAR?

Looks like the civil war is finally here, after most of us saw it coming for several years now, and esp. after THE LYIN' KING got back in power and started sending ICE to blue cities to terrorize and hurt people. As R.E.M. used to sing, " Welcome To The Occupation".. The Dems have sold us out, and were complicit in bringing us to this point, and they wouldn't even unite to shut off funding to DHS and ICE, even after Renee Good's murder and the continued ICE occupation of blue cities. They will not save us, and only revolt by the blue states, with their Dem governors being willing to send their Nat. Guard troops to fight ICE and THE LYIN' KING, along with the people rising up with their own guns, is going to stop the fascist regime. We should have had a blue state secession many years ago, and now we will have to have civil war, blue states against THE LYIN' KING and his red states, to stop this fascist clampdown. Won't be much longer, until even MS Now starts self censoring and not covering the civil war honestly and accurately. Will soon be like Putin's Russia, if we don't have a blue state revolt fighting back.. I dare THE LYIN' KING to keep sending ICE to Maine, since they have tons of armed citizens, who are independents or even lefty, that will not hesitate to shoot at ICE, if they try occupying their state and beating people up... As for the active duty military, they are going to back THE LYIN' KING, not fight for us. Only the blue state Nat. Guard troops might fight for our side. Our best bet is the citizens of blue states using their own guns and protecting themselves... Short of that or THE LYIN' KING dying of natural causes, I think we are cooked, as far as remaining a free country...

if this image is real, you'll be seeing a lot of it.
to clarify. It doesn't even matter if the gun was accessible to the victim. It's presence is only relevant if he was threatening the agents with it.
and even if he did, again, the question is, why was he shot 4 time???

the immediate lying by the Prez, Noem, Bondi, Miller and his other mobster, N@tzi gang members are off the charts.
Congress needs to make it's long overdue move NOW!

he's not paying. We are paying the "worst of the worst"

And the video from the woman in the pink coat, who was filming across the street from the donut shop that the first video was filmed from, shows even clearer, how the ICE goons grabbed him for no reason, jumped on top of him as a group and were beating him up, before the first shot was fired. It was an execution, straight up, with them shooting him after the beating was going on, just for sadistic pleasure, and then scattering like rats once the shots were all fired, because they realized they had committed a crime and were afraid of getting caught or shot by someone who saw it. Together, the two videos totally blow out of the water the whole bull💩 ICE cover story that was immediately put out to blame the victim and defend ICE.

And I bet the ICE goon in the gray coat will never be investigated by DHS for his role in the shooting. They will deny his involvement and his taking the gun from the victim and running away with it, etc... He will be treated like some phantom..

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Tim Walz just said it perfectly. Everything that is happening is no longer political difference it’s a moral one. There is no possible way you can watch the many versions of these shootings and believe the protesters are at fault. How the protesters are keeping this peaceful and controlled is beyond me but they are! This is how we can help.

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My name is [YOUR NAME] and I'm a(n) [YOUR STATE] resident. I'm calling to urge you to filibuster the upcoming Homeland Security appropriations bill. I'm sick of watching lawful citizens and noncitizens being arrested at their jobs, assaulted at peaceful protests, pulled out of their vehicles, blinded by munitions, and getting shot and killed. Senators like you need to filibuster this bill so that ICE doesn't get another penny. It already has $18.75 billion for 2026 - it doesn't need another $10 billion. My fellow [YOUR STATE'S RESIDENTS] and I will be watching your vote - and we will remember, I promise.

My name again is [YOUR NAME] and my contact info is

[YOUR PHONE NUMBER AND/ OR EMAIL]. My zip code is [YOUR ZIP CODE].

Thanks for listening and please do the right thing.

"Nazi" can be a 5-letter word...as in THE LYIN' KING. It can be a 6-letter word...as in "Miller". And it can be a 3-letter word...as in GOP.

I have zero doubt that many ICE goons are members of Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, and pardoned J6rs, which is why they don't want their identities known and won't show their faces..

It's such a shame. The airwaves were covered with ads offering $50,000 hiring bonuses to come work for ICE. Bullies, thugs and criminals responded and were hired. They were poorly trained, then handed the authority to abuse American citizens without consequences.

I agree with the bulk of your comment, mac, but to be fair, I think V. is using the word "we" more in a collective sense, of Americans in general, than specifically about himself or anybody else on this site or on our side of the current fight. Of course, he has the right to speak up for himself on that to clarify, or explain his intent with his comment..

I understand. I have always tried to fight the good fight, refusing to settle for corporate Dems as leaders, whenever possible, and protesting against our country's constant move to the right since the 1970s, but to no avail. We lefties of conscience are just too outnumbered, outspent, and muted in the mass media... And also, our side has never had any lasting, viable political representation, and I'm including Bernie, since he never had the guts to start a viable third party when he was still young enough to do it, and had the name recognition and popularity to make it happen. But instead he played it safe and stayed in his comfortable role as the congressional gadfly, because he was also too afraid of being labelled as someone who caused the election of THE LYIN' KING, the way Nader was wrongly blamed for W. being appointed by the SC..

Exactly. How much longer are we supposed to wait? We're already in practically full fascism, so we have nothing to lose at this point, same as most people were during the Great Depression, when most Americans had nothing to lose, economically, by voting for a democratic socialist, FDR, who was a Democrat. And you know what else? That also was the greatest, most successful time for union organizing in our country's history, because workers finally realized they had nothing to lose by joining unions, since they otherwise were already being treated as slaves working for poverty wages, and often in dangerous jobs that were fatal or at least ruining their long term health. Terrible times are exactly when to take political risks and swing for the fences, because that seems to be the only times that Americans wake up and realize that they have nothing to gain or even hold onto, by supporting the status quo...

And the Dem Party has more than proven, since the 1990s, that they aren't to be trusted with our civil liberties, endless wars of choice, or our side of the class war, as they constantly are Repub lite on everything but identity politics and culture war stuff. When it comes to power, and who it's used for and who it's used against, they have not been on our side, only that of the rich and corporations. And that's never going to change...

The last progressive candidate we've had for prez, from the Dems, was McGovern in 1972. Since then, the polling consistently shows that the public is way ahead of the major parties on the issues, as far as wanting progressive policies, but the Dems always go back to pointing out that 1972 landslide loss to Nixon, as proof that a progressive can't win that office. It's dishonest and terribly outdated and self-serving, when you look at the polling on issues, that is separated from party labels. And that's because the voters don't trust the Dems to actually fight for progressive policies, and rightly so. So that's why the support for progressive policies is so much higher among the public than their political support for Dems..

21 hours ago, BobDylan said:

to be fair, I think V. is using the word "we" more in a collective sense, of Americans in general, than specifically about himself or anybody else on this site or on our side of the current fight.

obviously. thank you

Mac, i sincerely appreciate your contributions here. but as the only moderator i need to point out that your obsession with semantics is unproductive, and distracting to each subject they are injected in. There is a grand irony in that, although i know you wouldn't want to, if i needed someone to help as a moderator, you have the other skills necessary, but you'd be a buzz kill.

also, as a reminder to everyone...
there is a tendency in threads to veer into other topics
i don't have the time to move posts around to more appropriate threads
so, please

this thread is about the nazi-like gestapo methods Americans are being subjected to
PLEASE MODERATE YOURSELVES BY STAYING ON TOPIC
and be as concise as possible

the goal is to be a quick source of frank, organized, topic-based opinion that is hard to find via traditional sources

You're welcome, V., and I will try to abide by your suggestions here.. And I also appreciate the tolerance and patience you have shown so far, as moderator of this site. I only wish reddit and FB, for example, were also so... These days, my fav source of commentary and news, besides Commondreams.org, is Substack, not only for the many commenters, but also the seeming lack of moderation, which still seems to result in respectful and intelligent comment threads accompanying the posts. Whodu thought it, that maybe people can respectfully participate in social discussion, without the usual FB or reddit flaming and childish insults, etc.? Or it could be that the MAGA idiots just stay away from there, realizing they are just way too outnumbered and outgunned intellectually on Substack...

thank you, BD. i know you are keenly aware of the benefits of making this site a desirable destination and you have frequently suggested ways to accomplish that.

Thanks V., I'm far from perfect, but I do try... It's in all of our interests for this site to succeed, whether it's as an online forum community, a dating site, or both... I wish I had more and better suggestions for the site, but I think I've already given all the ones I can think of...

I personally am thinking of buying a handgun and learning to shoot, not to defend or protect others, but for self defense I fear I will need in the coming year. I fear that it won't be long before anti Trumpers like me will be prohibited from buying guns, and will need them against the authorities, or even MAGA private gangs hunting us in public. But having said that, I don't intend to ever bring it to a protest, despite my 2nd Amendment right to do so, and despite all the many examples of right wing groups bringing rifles and handguns to past political protests, as a way of bullying and intimidating their opponents. Even tho I know that in the future there will be a very real possibility of the cops or the military deciding to open fire on whole groups of protestors with live, lethal ammo, in the meantime, before we get to that point, I'm not going to show up at a protest armed, since I know that during my whole lifetime, that there has been a double standard on which side is allowed to carry firearms at public protests without being shot at by the authorities, ie right wing groups, and left wing groups that have been shot at, with the excuse that they were armed, even when they weren't.. The lefty groups have never gotten fair or equal treatment on this issue by the cops and military, and they never will. So I will accept that reality and not give them the excuse, as we saw with Mr. Pretti, who I feel they were going to kill anyway, but finding the gun on him was their excuse and later justification created for the whole episode of grabbing him, beating him, and then executing him, even tho they didn't know he was armed until they were already beating him on the ground.. 6 on 1, pussies...

As for your motto on your comments, mac, of dying on one's feet, I'll just say I would rather be judged by 12, than carried by 6. A phrase I borrow from the old time 2A supporters, who are now proving their hypocrisy in spades.... Don't get me wrong, mac, I am very much in favor of having much greater gun control in America, always have been. But in the present situation, where the feds are acting totally lawless, selectively violent based on completely whether you're part of the in-group or the out-group, I will choose to exercise my rights to self defense until such time as our system is reformed enough that we are no longer threatened by this current fascism, if you're not part of MAGA. Until then, the time for reforming our gun control laws needs to wait...

Anyone who still listens to and takes these serial liars at face value, is not even worth engaging with, much less arguing with...