Vegetarian/Vegan Lifestyle

is the difference between the animals we pet and the animals we eat carved in flesh with cold, steel utensils?

This is the thread for a serving of healthy food, a healthy planet, and a clear conscience.

"Reality: If you came across a jumper -- an animal that beat the odds and escaped slaughter -- your first inclination would probably be to rescue, care for, and nurture that animal. You would likely care deeply. And you know that. And the fact that your choices don't align with that makes you uncomfy. That's called cognitive dissonance. Really being introspective and changing takes courage. But we see people do it every day." --The Hopeful Herbivore

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i have a different perspective. I say judge, and prepare to be judged. But judge the behavior, not the person. No one is better. Some behave better.

you are not shy about judging, scolding, or shaming the Prez and his supporters like Little Red Riding Hood. I understand. Silence in the presence of injustice is complicit.

slavery was ended precisely because people told slavers "what to think and feel." And when they didn't listen, the North pushed their point at the end of bayonets.

like you, i assume, i criticize people who discriminate against other races, nationality, or sexuality. In regards to animal abuse, i opt to speak out at opportune moments. If someone wants an award for speaking up against injustice, i'd give it to them. Though i know you're not looking for a medal for your dietary sacrifice, you earned one 🏆.

i like the thread of independence that runs through your posts. You don't like being told what to think, even when you agree. It's as if there's one emotion that doesn't play well with your other emotions and advanced intellect. I may be wrong, and judgemental, but could it be a cognitive disconnect? We all do it.

If you literally "won't eat with carnivores," you speak louder and more forcefully than i ever have. And because you blew your own horn, here, I will consider adjusting my own behavior (that's what speaking out publicly can do). Or, I might safely, cognitively disconnect, and just continue to eat my salad at the same table with the bloody bastards 😉

6 hours ago, macphysto said:

My philosophy is, everyone becomes "enlightened" at his/her own pace and in his/her own way.

and, normally, that has to suffice. but in cases of gross injustice, the victims don't have the luxury of time.

Tossing slavery into the discussion is not a persuasive argument for me.

the analogy is easily translated. If some Haitian was trying to "eat the cats. eat the dogs" on our street, we might first raise our voice, then make our point at the end of a garden shovel.

but i'm not trying to change your mind. we essentially agree but have different protest techniques. I'm pitching to any internet surfer with an open mind. I just saw this article. Billie is not trying to change Musk's mind. She's raising awareness.

it's not just veganism. There are coordinated industry social media manipulations and attacks on all kinds of food products

Coordinated Attacks on Veganism

How Industry-Backed Campaigns Shape Online Discourse

simple

to accept that, is cognitive dissonance

3 hours ago, macphysto said:

I don't know why some people think that scolding, ridiculing, and sarcasm are effective methods of persuasion. At the risk of incurring your ire, Cap'n, I agree with Bill Maher (and I'm paraphrasing), ridiculing doesn't make people rethink their behavior; it makes them rethink you.

it doesn't make sense for Maher to say that since his career was built on "scolding, ridiculing, and sarcasm"

and it doesn't make sense for you or i to say that, since, we both did stop eating meat because someone pointed out the hypocrisy and insensitivity of it

and it doesn't make sense for any of us here who pull no punches when it comes to political disagreements. I'm not getting the scent of "honey" anywhere.

3 hours ago, BobDylan said:

this needs to be more of a back burner issue in the political and culture wars these days.

but it is very "back-burner" and always has been -- even though it's the key to the climate change crisis which can absolutely not be a back-burned because we may literally burn up if we wait for the issue to become, shall we say, palatable

anyway, for the purposes of newBluePlanet all issues are on the table

4 hours ago, BobDylan said:

tho I've been guilty of that sometimes myself, letting my passion for an issue overcome...letting others enjoy their wish to attend to something more appealing

there in lies the key to where we are in our ethical evolution

1. we are willing to judge, but not to be judged

2. we are willing to dismiss our own hypocrisies under the guise of "letting us enjoy something"

3. 200 years ago, you might have said, let the guests enjoy the meal picked and served by the owner's slaves

4 hours ago, BobDylan said:

attacking you for simply not living up to their own ridiculously strict standards

that's not really true. There are thousands of food products in our grocery store that do not come from animals (that can suffer the same as our pet cats and dogs, and take less of our toll on our environment)

4 hours ago, BobDylan said:

(saying) how everyone should live or behave.

we're telling people how to live and behave all over this forum

4 hours ago, BobDylan said:

you are doing the best anyone could for your means, same as most of us, in living an honest and humane life

i don't believe you believe that's true, and that's what makes you sensitive about it

your ego is telling you that someone else is claiming to be "superior." More ethical.

here's the thing.
BD, Scary, and MacP could do better. V3 could do better
and none of us are more superior than our political opponents
we just believe we behave better
but, for example, i buy products i know were made from slave wages. and i use a.i.
i could do better
i confess my sins -- and i will try to do better

THE FIRST STEP IS TO STOP MAKING EXCUSES. ACKNOWLEDGE THE BAD BEHAVIOR AND PROMOTE THE GOOD BEHAVIOR
yes, like we're all friggin puppies that need to be trained!

again. this is newBluePlanet
the whole idea here is to talk about the way the world, logically, should be.
make excuses with friends and family if that makes you feel better
but this should be a space where we build on the truth
AT LEAST IN THEORY
for a start
a new start
something hopeful to believe in
and strive for

non-cognitive dissonance:
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